21 January

Krishnamurti In India: The Last Decade

First Public Talk – Calcutta 1982

24 Audience: No.

25 K: No. How easily you say, ‘no’. One group of rats, one generation learns a lesson very slowly. The next generation learns a little faster and so on. The last generation – say twenty-five generations – the last generation learns the lesson in a couple of hours. Now what they have learnt in a couple of hours is transmitted to all the rats in the world. They are experimenting with that. And it is not a genetic transformation, but a group consciousness is being affected. You understand this? That is simple enough. I’m not going to explain further. If you don’t understand, you’d better study.

26 So the question is: if you change fundamentally, you affect the whole consciousness of man. Napoleon affected the whole consciousness of Europe. Stalin affected the whole consciousness of Russia, and human beings all over the world like the Christian saviour, he has affected the consciousness of the world, and the Hindus with their peculiar gods have affected the consciousness of the world. So, when you as a human being radically transform psychologically, that is, be free of fear, have right relationship with each other, the ending of sorrow, and so on, which is radical transformation – which we shall go into presently – then you affect the whole consciousness of man. So it is not an individual affair. It is not a selfish affair. It is not individual salvation. It is the salvation of all human beings of which you are.

27 So, first then we must enquire what is relationship? Why in human relationship with each other there is such conflict, such misery, such intense sense of loneliness. We are going to enquire together into that. Enquire means to investigate, to question, to doubt about our relationship, between man and woman, between your nearest neighbour and the farthest neighbour. Why is there such conflict? From the past history, from all the knowledge that has been acquired, studied, man has lived in conflict with each other. But relationship is existence. Without relationship you cannot exist. In that existence there is conflict. But relationship is absolutely necessary. Life is relationship; action is relationship; what you think brings about relationship or destroys relationship. The hermit, the monk, the sannyasi, he may think he is separate, but he is related: related to the past, related to the environment, related to the man who brings him some grains, some food, some clothes. So life is relationship. Without life, without that interaction in relationship, there is no existence. So we are going together to explore why human beings live in conflict with each other? Why there is conflict between you and your husband, between the wife and the man? Why? Please ask this question of yourself. Though the speaker may put the question, you are putting the question. Find out. Let’s enquire together, because where there is conflict in relationship there is no love, there is no compassion and there is no intelligence. We will go into the word ‘intelligence’, ‘compassion’, and ‘love’. But one wonders whether in this country, as in other countries, there is love at all?

28 So we are exploring together what is relationship? Are you actually related in the sense – of course, blood relationship and so on – you may be related to a man, woman, sexually, but apart from that, are you related to anybody? Relation means non-isolation. That is, the man goes to the office everyday of his life, to a factory, to some form of occupation, leaving the house at 9 o’clock or 6 o’clock, spending the whole day working, working, working for fifty, sixty years, and then dies, and there the man is ambitious, greedy, envious, struggling, competing; comes home and the woman, the wife is also competitive, jealous, anxious, ambitious, going on in her own way. They may meet sexually, talk together, care somewhat, have children, but they remain separate, like two railway lines never meeting. And this is what we call relationship, which is an actuality. It’s not the speaker’s invention. It is not his opinion or conclusion, but this is a fact of everyone’s life, the perpetual dissension between two people, each holding to his opinions, to his conclusions. The word ‘conclusion’ means putting an ends to an argument. ‘I conclude that there is god’. Therefore I’ve put myself in a position, I have ended the argument; I conclude. So, please do not conclude, that is, bringing something to an end, argument. We are not concluding; we are observing the fact. The fact is, however intimate that relationship may be, there is always conflict. One dominating the other; one possessing the other; one jealous of the other. And so this is what we call relationship.

1 thought on “21 January”

  1. ” . . . One dominating the other; one possessing the other; one jealous of the other. And so this is what we call relationship . . . ”
    Are we seeing this together?

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