11 March

Krishnamurti In India: The Last Decade

Rajghat 1985  – 3rd Public Talk

23 a Most of us are in sorrow of some kind or another. Failing an exam – god, think what we are – failing an exam, failing not to be successful in business or in politics, or in your relationship with your wife or a relationship with somebody upstairs. You understand – upstairs (laughter) – which may be your guru or some other imaginative figure. So when you can’t succeed, when there is no success in you, you are depressed, you are sorrowful. Or you are sorrowful because you live in a small little village, you don’t know how to read and write – thank god – and you don’t know how to drive a car, or you have no bath, hot bath, you wear one dirty cloth. We have been through all that. The speaker has been through all that. You’re all fairly well-to-do and so on. So he suffers. The man in position, high up the ladder – nobody pulls down the ladder but he is high up. So he suffers too, because there are a few more steps to go up. So everyone on this earth, everyone from the poorest to the richest, from the most powerful man to the least powerful – they all suffer. Right? Right sirs? They all suffer. Every woman on earth suffers. Men have pleasure, the women suffer. So suffering is not yours, because everybody around you suffers. It’s not my suffering – it’s suffering. I wonder if you understand that? My son dies and I get terribly upset. I weep and I say, ‘Oh god, I’ve lost my son’, and that becomes a perpetual problem. I weep every time I see a little boy or a little girl. And I go through the pain of loneliness, sorrow, all the rest of it. Do we ever consider, sorrow is not mine, it’s everybody’s, which doesn’t minimise sorrow – it’s there. Right? And can that sorrow end? As long as I am suffering – because I’ve lost my wife, or I’m not as great as I thought I was, or I’ve got pain in my joints, or something or other, I’m always suffering about. I’m asking, can that sorrow end? If there is sorrow, there is no love. Please realise this. If I suffer, suffer, suffer, it’s part of self-pity, part of my concern, it is only I am suffering, nobody else, my sorrow is different from your sorrow, like my god is different from your god, my guru is stronger that your guru. It is a joke.